[nab301]

I saw this stuff in my local friendly Honda dealer , add a little to the tank ,run the bike and you're good for up to a year of non use, no need to drain tanks etc....
(I have added it to one of my bikes but have'nt put it to the long test yet....

This post has been edited by nab301: 28 November 2010 - 09:20 PM

[Tazzzie]

NAb, does it say if it will retro-work on old fuel - as in fuel already standing for a looooooong time ?

[nab301]

Tazzzie, on 28 November 2010 - 10:26 PM, said:

NAb, does it say if it will retro-work on old fuel - as in fuel already standing for a looooooong time ?

Nope....

Quote

" Slows oxidation to prevent gum and varnish build up"

[Super10]

nab301, on 28 November 2010 - 09:09 PM, said:

I saw this stuff in my local friendly Honda dealer , add a little to the tank ,run the bike and you're good for up to a year of non use, no need to drain tanks etc....

good spot Nab.
I use the STP version, seems to work for the old Kwacker


@Tazzie
no it wont de-gum carbs that have been lying there for yonks,
thats another story though

This post has been edited by Super10: 29 November 2010 - 06:59 PM

[Tazzzie]

Aye, the sweet sweet smell of varnish

Thanks guys.

[Josh]

Don't know about your fuel over there, but over here for the standard 87 octane petrol (as you call it) it's almost imperative to use some form of stabilizer. Our 'gas' will go puke in as little as 3 weeks and that's not ethanol based. Oxygenated (ethanol up to 10%) is garbage, and don't let anyone buffalo you into thinking otherwise. If you need proof, run some in a two stroke engined bike on a dyno and compare it to standard pump petrol. Then do a mileage test on any bike and see which returns better results. You'll be amazed. I fill my tank with 92 octane prior to storage (got a 6 month winter to suffer through) and use a stabilizer on top of that. No worries ever.

[Fr Dougal]

Leaving a bike parked up, how long would you reckon is long enough to need to add stabiliser?

Also is it ok for Fi?

I regularly leave the VFR parked up for 2-3 months, just wondering should I add stabiliser?

[nab301]

From the bottle , "for all gasoline engines" "fuel treatment for engines stored longer than 60 days" ,

[Fr Dougal]

Cheers Nab. Bike is parked up a month now, outside the country and unfortunately I won't be near it again til Jan or Feb. Must pick up some of this next time I am out there. Thanks.

[relaxed]

I have a 2 stroke mower (Suzuki engine, about 25 years old). I left it with fuel in the tank and carb for about 3 or 4 years till my ride-on broke down. 50:1 synthetic 2 stroke oil, standard octane unleaded. Took a squirt of easy start and off she went. A bit smokey and then running fine. I didn't even put in fresh petrol until it was running. A few years earlier, before using synthetic 2 stroke oil, the carb was oiled up and had to be stripped and cleaned before it would start after only a few months (one winter).

I wouldn't be surprised if fuel additives like synthetic 2 stroke oil, Dipetane, Redex, STP and maybe fuel stabiliser are pretty close to the same thing. Redex even smells a bit like 2 stroke when it burns.

Re ethanol affecting economy, my experience last year in France (10% ethanol, according to the pumps) was that it didn't make any negative difference.

[evoblade]

What I can't understand is why don't they put this stuff in with the petrol to begin with,there are so many additives,anti-corrosives,anti-freeze,detergents, polymers blah blah blah.I mean if they can mix up a batch of petrol with all those additives where's the problem in putting some stabalizers in there.Does the bottle mention any problems with running a bike long term on this stuff?

[evoblade]

relaxed, on 02 December 2011 - 11:06 PM, said:

I have a 2 stroke mower (Suzuki engine, about 25 years old). I left it with fuel in the tank and carb for about 3 or 4 years till my ride-on broke down. 50:1 synthetic 2 stroke oil, standard octane unleaded. Took a squirt of easy start and off she went. A bit smokey and then running fine. I didn't even put in fresh petrol until it was running. A few years earlier, before using synthetic 2 stroke oil, the carb was oiled up and had to be stripped and cleaned before it would start after only a few months (one winter).

I wouldn't be surprised if fuel additives like synthetic 2 stroke oil, Dipetane, Redex, STP and maybe fuel stabiliser are pretty close to the same thing. Redex even smells a bit like 2 stroke when it burns.

Re ethanol affecting economy, my experience last year in France (10% ethanol, according to the pumps) was that it didn't make any negative difference.

That was a common problem with old 2 stroke oil,it would deteriorate quite rapidly and also it never quite burnt up in the chamber correctly leaving you with the old de-coking problems thats so familiar to people with strokers 20 years + ago.There is still alot of sihte 2 stroke out there though,I stick with TTS and Synthesis 2,great oils,Id argue the Rock is the better stuff though...less carbon deposits from what Ive seen

This post has been edited by evoblade: 03 December 2011 - 11:20 AM

[John Bulleteer]

Good Find Nab,
Did you sell the Deauville yet ?

[Fr Dougal]

relaxed, on 02 December 2011 - 11:06 PM, said:

I have a 2 stroke mower (Suzuki engine, about 25 years old). I left it with fuel in the tank and carb for about 3 or 4 years till my ride-on broke down. 50:1 synthetic 2 stroke oil, standard octane unleaded. Took a squirt of easy start and off she went. A bit smokey and then running fine. I didn't even put in fresh petrol until it was running. A few years earlier, before using synthetic 2 stroke oil, the carb was oiled up and had to be stripped and cleaned before it would start after only a few months (one winter).

I used to have a 2stroke outboard with a 20liter inboard tank of mixed petrol. It used to lay up for 6 months every winter. Every spring I would drain the tank and fill with new petrol but I used the old mixed petrol in my >20year old Briggs and Stratton lawnmower for the summer. Maybe the drop of 2stroke mix is the reason the mower is still going strong, it never even got an oil change or new plug and it's still goping strong. Hmmmm, if only B&S made motorcycle engines....

[relaxed]

evoblade, on 03 December 2011 - 11:19 AM, said:

That was a common problem with old 2 stroke oil,it would deteriorate quite rapidly and also it never quite burnt up in the chamber correctly leaving you with the old de-coking problems thats so familiar to people with strokers 20 years + ago.There is still alot of sihte 2 stroke out there though,I stick with TTS and Synthesis 2,great oils,Id argue the Rock is the better stuff though...less carbon deposits from what Ive seen

TTS is what I've been using (50:1 in mower, chain saw and strimmer). Very hard to detect any smoke from it when the engine is warmed up and no clogging of the jets or coking up.

[nab301]

evoblade, on 03 December 2011 - 11:13 AM, said:

What I can't understand is why don't they put this stuff in with the petrol to begin with,there are so many additives,anti-corrosives,anti-freeze,detergents, polymers blah blah blah.I mean if they can mix up a batch of petrol with all those additives where's the problem in putting some stabalizers in there.Does the bottle mention any problems with running a bike long term on this stuff?

I bought from from Honda , they use it mainly in showroom bikes , maybe ask there ?

John Bulleteer, on 03 December 2011 - 11:39 AM, said:

Good Find Nab,
Did you sell the Deauville yet ?

Totally OT... nope

This post has been edited by nab301: 03 December 2011 - 10:00 PM