[Zx10 Rick]

So a new era is upon us, anyone applying now for their licence will have to do a MINIMUM of 16 hours training before recieving it. I suppose its not such a bad thing, but I reckon alot of people out there may not be able to afford such things at the moment. Will this 16 hour training course be run by gov or by private Rider Training companies?

This post has been edited by Zx10 Rick: 06 December 2010 - 05:04 PM

[swedger]

http://rsa.ie/en/RSA...IBT-Instructor/

All private providers approved by RSA

[klu]

swedger, on 06 December 2010 - 05:22 PM, said:

http://rsa.ie/en/RSA...IBT-Instructor/

All private providers approved by RSA

Am I missing something or have the left out the location of all the instructors?

[Snoopy]

Zx10 Rick, on 06 December 2010 - 04:54 PM, said:

So a new era is upon us, anyone applying now for their licence will have to do a MINIMUM of 16 hours training before recieving it. I suppose its not such a bad thing, but I reckon alot of people out there may not be able to afford such things at the moment. Will this 16 hour training course be run by gov or by private Rider Training companies?

New riders will have to have their learner permit before they do the IBT course but they will not be able to ride on the road on their own until they pass the course.

[klu]

Snoopy, on 06 December 2010 - 05:43 PM, said:

New riders will have to have their learner permit before they do the IBT course but they will not be able to ride on the road on their own until they pass the course.

How is that policed?

[Zx10 Rick]

Snoopy, on 06 December 2010 - 05:43 PM, said:

New riders will have to have their learner permit before they do the IBT course but they will not be able to ride on the road on their own until they pass the course.

Whats it gonna cost them??

[Snoopy]

Zx10 Rick, on 06 December 2010 - 05:47 PM, said:

Whats it gonna cost them??

Prices will vary from instructor to instructor

can't post prices up here but it will include bike hire & gear etc. as you can't ride your own bike to the compound.

[Zx10 Rick]

Snoopy, on 06 December 2010 - 05:54 PM, said:

Prices will vary from instructor to instructor

can't post prices up here but it will include bike hire & gear etc. as you can't ride your own bike to the compound.

That sounds a little like you dont want to get peoples backs up! Also sounds like its going to be expensive!!
Surely there could be an option for a rider to do the course on their own bike? There not that hard to transport!

[klu]

Snoopy, on 06 December 2010 - 05:54 PM, said:

Prices will vary from instructor to instructor

can't post prices up here but it will include bike hire & gear etc. as you can't ride your own bike to the compound.

Ballpark figure?

You don't have to say it's your figure!

[Snoopy]

Zx10 Rick, on 06 December 2010 - 06:02 PM, said:

That sounds a little like you dont want to get peoples backs up! Also sounds like its going to be expensive!!
Surely there could be an option for a rider to do the course on their own bike? There not that hard to transport!

No not at all forum rules can't put up prices.

If your own bike is tranported to the offroad site then of course you can use it and will make the course cheaper.

My outlook on this is to make it as cheap as possible so as not to put people of bikes.

Each instructor will have his own costs to cover with no help from the gov., rsa, etc. etc.

[Darkcloud]

I'd be really concerned that this is gonna kill off new entrants to the biking scene...

16 hours @ min €20 per hour = min €320 (probably a LOT more)... just to get started + buy gear + buy bike + insurance + road tax + theory test fee + licence fee ..

But what can we do..them the rules lads...gonna have to stump up for my daughter's car IBT next year too (why didnt I have her a year earlie )

[fabio]

Snoopy, on 06 December 2010 - 05:43 PM, said:

New riders will have to have their learner permit before they do the IBT course but they will not be able to ride on the road on their own until they pass the course.

Will it be marked on the licence or something that you have the course done?

[fabio]

Darkcloud, on 06 December 2010 - 06:50 PM, said:

I'd be really concerned that this is gonna kill off new entrants to the biking scene...

16 hours @ min €20 per hour = min €320 (probably a LOT more)... just to get started + buy gear + buy bike + insurance + road tax + theory test fee + licence fee ..

But what can we do..them the rules lads...gonna have to stump up for my daughter's car IBT next year too (why didnt I have her a year earlie )

Nah there was an article on the Examiner a while back saying lessons are more like €40 an hour. I stand to be corrected but I paid €80 for my pretest so €40 sounds like it may be correct. I'd like a third option in the poll! I agree with training in principle but the cost is too much, it needs a better way of funding.

[Snoopy]

fabio, on 06 December 2010 - 07:42 PM, said:

Will it be marked on the licence or something that you have the course done?

You will be given a certificate of satisfactory completion that you have to carry with your learner permit.

[PhilTrixxxter]

Changed cause i read 1st post wrong.
I agree that people should have to do some training before being allowed on the road. It should ensure that people have at least an idea how to control a bike. I'm not sure how many accidents people riding on scooters and small bikes with no training account for, but surely they all get counted as motorcycle accidents. Im sure this should help reduce these.

This post has been edited by PhilTrixxxter: 06 December 2010 - 08:14 PM

[Zx10 Rick]

how much will the cert cost then??

[Snoopy]

Zx10 Rick, on 06 December 2010 - 08:06 PM, said:

how much will the cert cost then??

[Snooze]

I totally agree with it..... the lessons I did were invaluable! I started as a complete novice and came away with the ability to control my bike! What I learned will stand to me forever. Learning to ride safely is a must, not an option!! Too many lunatics out there to take the chance.

[laneminnow]

Snoopy, on 06 December 2010 - 05:43 PM, said:

New riders will have to have their learner permit before they do the IBT course but they will not be able to ride on the road on their own until they pass the course.

is this for all new riders or only for new riders who are applying from now on under the new rule

[Gloggers]

If someone is to get 16 hours of training before they are able to apply for their full test, I hope that insurance will be dropped massively.
It would be completely unfair to expect someone to HAVE to pay €640 to get lessons, (I paid €40 for one lesson with my instructor, I am not applying this price to every instructor) before they even have an opportunity to do the test, even if the instructor believes the student capable of passing the test after a few lessons.

What happens in that case? Does the instructor "sign off" on the student to allow the student do the test?

If the instructor did that, whats the legality?

While the need for tuition is sourly needed, but in my opinion, 16 lessons is overkill for a lot of people. Some may need more, but the instructor should be able to assess the student as the lessons continue throughout. Say, 3 compulsory lessons, and then 1 lesson at a time as the instructor sees fit.