[Linda]

Right people we have started a poll on whether YOU want hi-viz or not. The RSA has stated that if they get 70% compliance with wearing of hi viz, then they won't make it compulsory if they don't they will make the wearing of a full sleeved for rider and pillion compulsory.

We know some people are totally opposed and some people are totally for


Linky (hopefully) http://www.magireland.org/


If as usual I did'nt put up a working linky you can find it on the MAG home page.

We want to know what you as riders want so please spread the word

Thanks

[Darkcloud]

Correct LINKY to HiViz poll...poll is on bottom right of screen

[Ogmios]

Linda says Thank You D.C.

[Snoopy]

Where do they get the 70% from ??

Do they not care if 30% of us are invisible ??

I think compulsory hi-viz is a bad idea and it should be the riders choice to wear it or not.

[Darkcloud]

Snoopy, on 02 September 2011 - 10:04 AM, said:

Where do they get the 70% from ??

Do they not care if 30% of us are invisible ??

I think compulsory hi-viz is a bad idea and it should be the riders choice to wear it or not.

[wesifumi]

i'm sorry, as an adult...and as soon as you bcome a Full licence holder , it should be your choice to wear one.

they are basically giving Drivers/pedetrians a get out of jail card, "sorry couldn't see you".

[Deragoth]

No way in hell will I wear one.

[joe soap]

if they can make you wear a seat belt they can make you wear a H-vis

[wesifumi]

joe soap, on 02 September 2011 - 10:34 AM, said:

if they can make you wear a seat belt they can make you wear a H-vis

Would you drive without one?

I don't feel right in the car without one.

How do people feel on the wearing of helmets?

Even if we didn't "have" to wear them i still would ( cus im ugly)

[joe soap]

wesifume, on 02 September 2011 - 10:38 AM, said:

Would you drive without one?

I don't feel right in the car without one.

How do people feel on the wearing of helmets?

Even if we didn't "have" to wear them i still would ( cus im ugly)

i never wore a seat belt untill i had to [ i was excempt in the Taxi untill 2004 i think] and if i had a choice i wouldn't wear it

[Linda]

Snoopy, on 02 September 2011 - 10:04 AM, said:

Where do they get the 70% from ??

Do they not care if 30% of us are invisible ??

I think compulsory hi-viz is a bad idea and it should be the riders choice to wear it or not.

I can only suppose that percentage makes them happy. We have asked for the scientific evidence that hi-viz work but they haven't replied

wesifume, on 02 September 2011 - 10:28 AM, said:

i'm sorry, as an adult...and as soon as you bcome a Full licence holder , it should be your choice to wear one.

they are basically giving Drivers/pedetrians a get out of jail card, "sorry couldn't see you".

Yes the onus should be on other road users to engage sight and brain and look properly. The problem with trying to make us more "visible" is that it ignores the basic problem of other road users not looking properly. There is no scientific evidence that people are more aware of you when your wearing hi-viz. I'm trying to find out what percentage of bike accidents occur when the rider is wearing a hi-viz.

joe soap, on 02 September 2011 - 10:34 AM, said:

if they can make you wear a seat belt they can make you wear a H-vis

True the difference being that there was evidence that seat belts work there is none that hi-viz does.

Let the Rider decide

[The Greek AKA The cat]

Not bothered by it to be honest.
Will it cost me money?
No.
I have a couple of full hi-viz jackets. I dont wear them at the moment but it would not be a huge pain to wear them again.

Do I think it will be a major improvement in rider safety, absolutely not. I once pulled out in front of a bike because I hadn't seen it. The rider was wearing a full hi-viz jacket and had headlights on dipped.
The rider was in a buslane on his own. it was dark, mid-winter and the bike blended into the headlights of the cars in the outside lane. I failed to see the bike primarliy because he was travelling at exactly the same speed as the surroundling traffic and maintained a straight line.

I would have been going marginally faster and on seeing a car about to pull out I would have moved from side to side a little in the lane in order for the movement to catch the car drivers attention. But thats just me.

The Garda on the bike didnt and he nearly plowed into me

[wesifumi]

I do wear a high viz rain jacket everyday on the commute into town, My Bike also has a the headlight permanantly wired on, and at the moment its on the high beam, as bright as you can get it. Add to this a high vis yellow and black helmet..i feel though i should be as visable as the moon/Sun.

Didn't stop a driver pulling out on Me Monday or tuesday Morning at the pub the Inn in the park..he couldn't see me because of the telegraph pole in the way..but what was the problem as he hadn't gone near the Cycle lane so i shouldn't have had cause to raise an issue...two basic driving mistakes made there.

One don't go unless you can see its safe to move

two..cycle lanes are for pushbikes..

He didn't understand either of those facts.

Now, on the Sportsbike, of a weekend i don't wear High viz..unless its heavily raining or we are out on a slow run and we need people to stop at junctions and direct others.

The Greek, on 02 September 2011 - 10:56 AM, said:

Not bothered by it to be honest.

You should be bothered...its about choice, not wether its not gonna cost you money cus you have one or not.

We all don't need motorbikes that can go a billion miles an hour when the max speed limit is 74mph/120kph...but i will absolutely defend your right to have one.

You have the choice and that choice should not be taken from you, which they are working on also with mandatory a.b.s., Computer/sat nav speed limiting etc. etc.

[Shinwacker]

I don't wear a hi-viz because as soon as loads of people start wearing them they will say I have to. I only wear safety gear to keep the rian out, if it didn't rain all the time I would go around in jeans and a t shirt and occasionally flip flops, mind you I don't like flip flops anyway and always wear shoes or boots and that's not when I'm on my bike.

As soon as pedestrians start wearing hi viz and people out walking dogs and the dogs wear them well then, I still won't wear one. Is the hi-viz industry lobbying those who make the laws?

The whole deal is just silly.

Shins

[Norrie]

I agree with anything that adds to rider safety.

You never hear about "freedom of choice" from those doing track days, (you wear what you are told to wear) yet there is a hew and cry about road safety legislation.

Can you imagine the carnage if it was not compulsory to wear helmets? The injuries would be too horrific to contemplate.

I was attacked for these views before on another forum but I am entitled to an opinion the same as everyone else.

[wesifumi]

Norrie, on 02 September 2011 - 11:30 AM, said:

I agree with anything that adds to rider safety.

You never hear about "freedom of choice" from those doing track days, (you wear what you are told to wear) yet there is a hew and cry about road safety legislation.

Can you imagine the carnage if it was not compulsory to wear helmets? The injuries would be too horrific to contemplate.

I was attacked for these views before on another forum but I am entitled to an opinion the same as everyone else.

Absolutely, thats why they have a little "i Agree" button on the Poll Norrie.

[Shinwacker]

Norrie, on 02 September 2011 - 11:30 AM, said:

I agree with anything that adds to rider safety.

You never hear about "freedom of choice" from those doing track days, (you wear what you are told to wear) yet there is a hew and cry about road safety legislation.

Can you imagine the carnage if it was not compulsory to wear helmets? The injuries would be too horrific to contemplate.

I was attacked for these views before on another forum but I am entitled to an opinion the same as everyone else.

I'm not going to attack you Norie, I just don't agree with you, no problem at all. different folks different strokes.

Shins

[KildareMan]

Don't see that a "full sleeved" Hi Viz as opposed to a normal vest will make you any more visible to be honest. I wear a zipped vest, this one in fact.

[Kelpie]

I could do without having to be forced to wear hi viz especially during summer when it's hot as hell in the leathers without adding to it.

But.... I also agree with Norrie. To be honest I think people have more of a problem feeling they're being told what to do, than they have wearing the actual hi viz. I'm not at all sure that's a good argument not to.

[Norrie]

Kelpie, on 02 September 2011 - 12:24 PM, said:

I could do without having to be forced to wear hi viz especially during summer when it's hot as hell in the leathers without adding to it

This would be my objection to wearing a Hi-Viz jacket, surely the vest would make more sense. The cost of an armoured Hi-Viz jacket would be prohibitive for a lot of people in these hard times. Young people starting out on their first bike have enough costs to contend with.