[wesifumi]

As above.

Have you registered? Are you going to?

[whose-law-anyway]

spikeo, on 23 February 2012 - 01:12 AM, said:

Educate yourself is the big message here cus to be honest what u are told, charged for and led to believe are way off
the beaten track and the small percentage that have
registered have done so out of fear from the propaganda
wheel or can afford to and not out of knowledge my own
parents are hard to convince not to pay cus they are fearful and are true law abiding citizens but whose law is it they
abide by a curopt law a flexible law a todo ilia 18th century
law that were throw out when the Irish constitution was
introduced
There is an existing law that states that a publican can not chace a customer for the money owed on drinks given out on credit true
One catholic can be shot on the grounds of trinity college every year true

My understanding is, everyone that is capable and wanting to figure out the list of what is right and wrong and has their nose in everything and preaches from the pedestal is 99% time a cnut and just tring to get into a position to dominate and abuse others in society. (there is an old saying by Socretes I think, pretty much to surmise, those that are capable of leading shouldnt as their ends are not for the good of society only themselves and those that can't should be forced to do so as their heart is truer)

I'm just glad to see a fella like that doing his bit, my sad answer is as always..... (due to my limited patience and empathy and possible intelligence) kill the fcukers, kill em all, their children first.

[KildareMan]

spikeo, on 22 February 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Google the Westmeath independent there is a write up on the meeting the reason that" may be "was used is they can not say you are outright! because they can't just introduce it with out a form or consent by us the people which they want you too,under fear of fines and prison and court fees to sign up sod them which brings up the turf issues there trying the divide and conquer method between urban rural and people classes we are one united we must stand

Err yes they can. They were elected by you and me, the people, and followed all the required processes in the constitution to be appointed as the government.

[andy gaw]

too true KM...and it gives the best arguement against democracy.... "the average voter"

[Tripleman]

KildareMan, on 23 February 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

Err yes they can. They were elected by you and me, the people, and followed all the required processes in the constitution to be appointed as the government.

The trouble is that the constitution does not specify that they have to do what they said they would when seeking election. Would the present government have been voted in if they were honest enough to say that they were going to be exactly like the last lot? If elected under a false promise then they can hardly be representative of the will of the people.

[wesifumi]

Sorry folks..my info has been thin on the ground of late.

This weekend, Saturday 25.02.2012, there is meant to be a national day of protest for the "NO" camp, but this is really at local level.

I was at a meeting for volunteers last night, only 10 of us that put our names down, but there are more helping.

We, the 10 will be handing out information leaflets in Portlaoise town this weekend. At the GAA stadium, shopping centres, church etc etc.

We are not looking for volunteers, we just want to get information to people, as this is the main problem..lack of info and education.

www.nohouseholdtax.org

www.laoissaysno.com

[Shinwacker]

Tripleman, on 23 February 2012 - 10:28 AM, said:

The trouble is that the constitution does not specify that they have to do what they said they would when seeking election. Would the present government have been voted in if they were honest enough to say that they were going to be exactly like the last lot? If elected under a false promise then they can hardly be representative of the will of the people.

They were elected fair and square Trippleman, no electronic voting machines this time. False promises are common place in modern day politics and we all know it. Like estate agents we all know the bullsiht they come out with and we don't believe a word form them. In Ireland we only have a couple of choices for govt. FF conservative govt. FG conservative Govt and Labour conservative govt. The Irish people just don't want change and like our govt to be a conservative one. Even the Labour party are really a consecrative party, no change here please. The parties reflect the choice of the people and no radical govt please. We will put up with Joe Higgins and those scummy socialists, well because we have to. SF are making in roads but we haven't really began to starve enough, well not enough of us anyhow to make a change. Will the next election bring back FF? I'd say yes and Micky Martin is making a good job as an opposition spokesman. Ha-ha he is even against policies that he introduced, magic stuff really.

Typical that FF cause the balls up and then FG has to try and sort it all out, always seems to happen. G Fitzgerald and Alan Dukes sorted it all out last time and we had the Celtic tigger which FF got hold of and milked it til it was dead.At the election before the last one Bulldog Noonan lost so many seats for FG that he had to resign his post. The Puppet then brings him back to front bench politics to carry out FF policies. Did anyone really think it would be any different with him in charge? Or even that Muppet from the labour party, Dick Spring pulled the plug on Albert Reynolds because some priest was caught porking young lads. The Labour party was consigned to the bin and then ten years later or so here he is, Gilmore spouting FF policy.

Moan Burton, I especially hate this old cow, is now attacking the unemployed as a drain on society and they are going to have to sign a charter or contract to get dole money saying they will take some stupid course or other instead of a real job. They want to keep the real unemployment figures from the Irish people. It's real Thatcher politics from the Labour party. It's a pity old Moan doesn't go after the labour parties supporters who gave donations to the party, you know the rich cunts who stole the countries future, not some poor bloke trying to make ends meet. Here's an Idea Moan, give the unemployed a real job with real pay and a real future, most long term unemployed would jump at the chance to make a few bob. Stop fcuking around with the unemployment figures and stop trying to make a scapegoat out of people who through no fault of their own have ended up on the dole. Lets put a few of the golden circle from all parties in jail were they belong.

Shins political rant for the morning.

[andy gaw]

Did he get his way??

[Darkcloud]

andy gaw, on 01 April 2012 - 08:59 PM, said:

Did he get his way??
selwynjustcause2is3.8742.jpg

Think he did, 800,000 times

[wesifumi]

I don't believe that figure... And if it is a true figure, how many of them have paid or have to pay?

I reckon it's propaganda.

[Tazzzie]

Linda, on 03 February 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

To me this is unfair it basically removes your right to protest.

I knew it was a pox on us as individuals once we stopped getting paid in cash back in the 80's.

wesifumi, on 07 February 2012 - 11:26 AM, said:

I honestly feel like fire bombing the dail, or maybe just the people in it.

Its frustrating especially the number the dark one quotes below.
Lets take the long view on it for now. I honestly never wanted to vote SF before, but, their looking a bit better these days.

Darkcloud, on 01 April 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

Think he did, 800,000 times

Do'ah.

wesifumi, on 01 April 2012 - 09:51 PM, said:

I don't believe that figure... And if it is a true figure, how many of them have paid or have to pay?

I reckon it's propaganda.

From the radio today, its a mix of those who have registered to pay and those have registered and paid.
We'll see if its propaganda over the next year I guess..

[wesifumi]

Any way of holding the figures of my original poll and issuing a new one now Taz?

So we can see what way the figures are now?

[Tazzzie]

wesifumi, on 01 April 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

Any way of holding the figures of my original poll and issuing a new one now Taz?

So we can see what way the figures are now?

Sure, we can close this thread, and start a new poll ?

[andy gaw]

Over half the country failed to pay...that would have won a referendum!(course here we would have a re-run) lets just see what they do now, are they going to use scare tactics, threats,fines...reckon meself they will now try the divide and conquer tactic, tell the folk who paid that its all the non-payers who have cheated the "law abiding citizens"..it works in Ireland as we all like to have someone to blame.
My answer to anyone who comes knocking will be...I refuse to pay for a county manager who earns €200,000 a year and squanders money on wasteful pet projects...the list is long in Cork, when I get a proper account of spending...maybe then I might consider paying, maybe!

Not much point in another poll....twas taken at midnight last night.

This post has been edited by andy gaw: 01 April 2012 - 10:34 PM

[fabio]

We've not paid and we're not going to be paying either.

[wesifumi]

We are giving it a week to see where the government stand on the situation before we get back on the campaign trail.

Folks if you believe in the cause, and if you can spare the time, then get out there and help your areas local campaign, wether it be for leaflet distribution or just getting feet on the street for Rallies etc.

There are only 13 of us in portlaoise,, it is disheartening but we are gonna keep at it for a while longer.

[Shinwacker]

andy gaw, on 01 April 2012 - 08:59 PM, said:

Did he get his way??
selwynjustcause2is3.8742.jpg

ha-ha Andy he sure does look like old Selywn Froggit, only Selywn was a likable and funny chap. "Magic our Maurice"

Wesi, don't be dishearten mate, it hasn't run it's course yet, not even close to and end point. Now we have a chance to say No to Europe and their fiscal compact, they are being very quiet about this one. All the political parties are saying yes to this, well maybe not SF. It worries me when all those wnakers in the Dail agree on the "treaty of poverty" I think Joe Higgins called it. What happens when we get sucked into this one? Why do we need to change our constitution? That's the big one, as you all know how I preach about our constitution being our only safeguard from these cunts in power. So what are we giving up to be able to enter this treaty of poverty?

Shins

[Tripleman]

Shinwacker, on 03 April 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

ha-ha Andy he sure does look like old Selywn Froggit, only Selywn was a likable and funny chap. "Magic our Maurice"

Wesi, don't be dishearten mate, it hasn't run it's course yet, not even close to and end point. Now we have a chance to say No to Europe and their fiscal compact, they are being very quiet about this one. All the political parties are saying yes to this, well maybe not SF. It worries me when all those wnakers in the Dail agree on the "treaty of poverty" I think Joe Higgins called it. What happens when we get sucked into this one? Why do we need to change our constitution? That's the big one, as you all know how I preach about our constitution being our only safeguard from these cunts in power. So what are we giving up to be able to enter this treaty of poverty?

Shins

Yep, I to thought it had all gone silent on the poverty treaty and was wondering why. I don't think they have even set a date yet though I last heard it was likely to be the end of May when the sun is likely to be out and folks are generally happier and less rebellious.

They say that we never learn from history and we don't have to dig too far before we come across the fact that Ireland's export's of foodstuffs actually increased during the potato famines of the 1840's much like the capital being sent abroad by Noonan and Kenny now when the country needs it more than ever and emigration once again drains its people away. And they still think they deserve a yes vote!

This post has been edited by Tripleman: 03 April 2012 - 12:19 PM