[SDR]

I was wondering what is the penalty for driving a non restricted bike in ireland while you still have the 2 year restriction on your license.

If the bike is taxed, insured, but you don't have the restriction certificate

1 how will they test if its overpowered?

2 what will be the penalty if they find out it is?

tnx!

[Kelpie]

That's the point, you ARE NOT insured if you don't hold a licence that permits you to ride a bike of that class. You may also have the bike taken of you.

There are loads of threads covering this topic. Worth putting in a search.

[bronson]

Probably best not to even consider going unrestricted SDR. If you choose a mildly tuned rev-restricted bike you'll have the bulk of it's torque still available to you. You may not even notice the loss of BHP at high revs.

Don;t concern yourself with how Guards might test your restriction. Just be mindful of the worst case scenario.






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This post has been edited by bronson: 01 February 2012 - 08:55 AM

[KTRIC]

I can think of a couple of people , one or two here doing just that. Driving with no restriction. The insurance comapanies are looking for every little reason not to pay out these days so dont give them ammunition.

[Linda]

You invalidate your Insurance so you can get done for driving with no insurance. If you have an accident the other party can make a claim and the insurance company can (unlikely) seek to recover their costs from you. Fine and penalty points

Your bike can be seized for testing. The testing centre is in Port Laoise. If your bike is proven to be unrestricted you won't get it back and it could be sold/scrapped.Fine and penalty points.

Admittedly this hasn't happened so there is an argument that if you ride well and don't break the law you do stand a chance of getting away with it.

[SDR]

Thanks for the replies,

the point is i really don't want to ride around with a non restricted bike, but i was told in the shop it was not possible to fit a restrictor kit to my specific bike. So either I find a way to restrict it, sell it or risk it and drive around unrestricted.

They also told me if i get insured and don't claim its restricted it will still be insured and that the guarda dont really care as long as its insured and taxed.

Does this hold any truth in it?

tnx!

[Kelpie]

SDR, on 01 February 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

They also told me if i get insured and don't claim its restricted it will still be insured and that the guarda dont really care as long as its insured and taxed.

Does this hold any truth in it?

tnx!

Nope

[PaulB]

Ive never heard of a bike that couldnt be restricted. Unless it is factory restricted you will not get a discount on your insurance, so for the sake of a quote it doesnt make a difference if it is restricted or not, but you will not be covered on full power.
what bike is it? did you check FI international for a restrictor?

[SDR]

Its a Honda CB400 super 4 '99, apparently there are 2 models, one that can be restricted with the official kit and one that can't. Apparently i have the one that can't...

(as you clearly can see i dont know anything about mechanics so any help is much appreciated:))

[fittylmk]

I was in the same boat two years ago when i got my license and what i done was buy a SV 1000 sport restrict it and did not notice and difference in speed 0-60 because i drove it with our Restrictor before I put it in to see difference it was good for 100 mph they are a torque bike anyway so the Restrictor did little to tame it. I was stopped on a few times and was always ask if restricted. I just showed Restrictor cert and it was grand but I would not like to have the misfortune of been in a crash as well as worrying if there going to nab me for invalid insurance due to a Restrictor.

not worth the risk like someone said if can't be restricted sell and get a SV 650 something with bit of low end torque

and with the official kit mine was a screw in my throttle grip and the guards never had any problems with it 30 euro took it out when Restrictor up myself in less then a minute

This post has been edited by fittylmk: 01 February 2012 - 12:18 PM

[KildareMan]

SDR, on 01 February 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

They also told me if i get insured and don't claim its restricted it will still be insured and that the guarda dont really care as long as its insured and taxed.

Does this hold any truth in it?

tnx!

Still riding a bike not eligible to ride. Insurance still invalid. You still fecked

[Inadzuma]

A quick quote from my Insurance Cert.

Person or classes of persons entitled to drive;

As defined below PROVIDING THAT THE PERSON DRIVING HOLDS A LICENCE TO DRIVE THE VEHICLE......

That's all you need to know really

Dave

[jamesobrady]

Got stopped speeding a couple of years ago on a restricted sv650....140kmph. Guard was full on seizing the bike as he didnt believe a restricted bike would be able to go that fast. Took a fair bit of convincing on the spot, and a follow on call from a friendly biker Guard to get him to relax about it. No cert to show him at the time. They can seize the bike on reasonable suspicion. Up to you to then prove it....they can hold it for as long as they want as far as I know.

And on top of all that the small matter of no valid insurance

[jamesobrady]

SDR, on 01 February 2012 - 09:30 AM, said:

Thanks for the replies,

the point is i really don't want to ride around with a non restricted bike, but i was told in the shop it was not possible to fit a restrictor kit to my specific bike. So either I find a way to restrict it, sell it or risk it and drive around unrestricted.

They also told me if i get insured and don't claim its restricted it will still be insured and that the guarda dont really care as long as its insured and taxed.

Does this hold any truth in it?

tnx!

A bit of important information for ya.... the way the legislation is written it specifies that the bike has to be restricted, but in NO WAY WHATSOEVER defines how so, or how it should be proven. The FI kits are the easiest, as they are "controlled" via the authorised garages and official looking certs and the UK Gov recognise them as official restriction yadda yadda. The Irish Gov however, dont give a toss.

All you have to be able to do is provide evidence that your vehicle's power output meets the restrictions, 33hp is the easiest usually.
Any way you can think of to restrict your throttle movement or air fuel mix to bring the bike to or under 33hp, and get a dyno cert.
Plates with a smaller intake hole between the carb and intake, and smaller main jets are usually the easiest, but you could also come up with a way of limiting throttle movement at the carb.

Now...on top of that...your cb400, find out the difference between your model and the one that can be restricted ( i assume the bike shop was talking about the FI kit?)...is it the carbs or the throttle. Ill bet theres a solution with swapping bits about. There is probably a cb400 owners club with the answer you want.

This post has been edited by jamesobrady: 01 February 2012 - 08:10 PM

[petecourtney]

jamesobrady, on 01 February 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

There is probably a cb400 owners club with the answer you want.

You could try www.400greybike.com